The Samyutta Nikaya
The Grouped Discourses
Samyutta
Nikaya
XII.68
Kosambi
Sutta
At
Kosambi
(On
Knowing
Dependent
Co-arising)
Translated
from
the
Pali
by
Thanissaro
Bhikkhu
On
one
occasion
Ven.
Musila,
Ven.
Pavittha,
Ven.
Narada,
and
Ven.
Ananda
were
staying
in
Kosambi
at
Ghosita's
monastery.
Then
Ven.
Pavittha
said
to
Ven.
Musila,
"Musila,
my
friend,
putting
aside
conviction,
putting
aside
preference,
putting
aside
tradition,
putting
aside
reasoning
through
analogies,
putting
aside
an
agreement
through
pondering
views:
Do
you
have
truly
personal
knowledge
that,
'From
birth
as
a
requisite
condition
come
aging
&
death'?"
"Yes,
Pavittha
my
friend.
Putting
aside
conviction...
preference
...
tradition
...
reasoning
through
analogies
...
an
agreement
through
pondering
views,
I
do
have
truly
personal
knowledge
that,
'From
birth
as
a
requisite
condition
come
aging
&
death.'"
[Similarly
with
'From
becoming
as
a
requisite
condition
comes
birth'
....
'From
clinging/sustenance
as
a
requisite
condition
comes
becoming'
....
'From
craving
as
a
requisite
condition
comes
clinging/sustenance'
....
'From
feeling
as
a
requisite
condition
comes
craving'
....
'From
contact
as
a
requisite
condition
comes
feeling'
....
'From
the
six
sense
media
as
a
requisite
condition
comes
contact'
....
'From
name-&-form
as
a
requisite
condition
come
the
six
sense
media'
....
'From
consciousness
as
a
requisite
condition
comes
name-&-form'
....
'From
fabrications
as
a
requisite
condition
comes
consciousness.']
"Musila,
my
friend,
putting
aside
conviction,
putting
aside
preference,
putting
aside
tradition,
putting
aside
reasoning
through
analogies,
putting
aside
an
agreement
through
pondering
views:
Do
you
have
truly
personal
knowledge
that,
'From
ignorance
as
a
requisite
condition
come
fabrications'?"
"Yes,
Pavittha
my
friend.
Putting
aside
conviction...
preference
...
tradition
...
reasoning
through
analogies
...
an
agreement
through
pondering
views,
I
do
have
truly
personal
knowledge
that,
'From
ignorance
as
a
requisite
condition
come
fabrications.'"
"Musila,
my
friend,
putting
aside
conviction,
putting
aside
preference,
putting
aside
tradition,
putting
aside
reasoning
through
analogies,
putting
aside
an
agreement
through
pondering
views:
Do
you
have
truly
personal
knowledge
that,
'From
the
cessation
of
birth
comes
the
cessation
of
aging
&
death'?"
"Yes,
Pavittha
my
friend.
Putting
aside
conviction...
preference
...
tradition
...
reasoning
through
analogies
...
an
agreement
through
pondering
views,
I
do
have
truly
personal
knowledge
that,
'From
the
cessation
of
birth
comes
the
cessation
of
aging
&
death.'"
[Similarly
with
'From
the
cessation
of
becoming
comes
the
cessation
of
birth'
....
'From
the
cessation
of
clinging/sustenance
comes
the
cessation
of
becoming'
....
'From
the
cessation
of
craving
comes
the
cessation
of
clinging/
sustenance'
....
'From
the
cessation
of
feeling
comes
the
cessation
of
craving'
....
'From
the
cessation
of
contact
comes
the
cessation
of
feeling'
....
'From
the
cessation
of
the
six
sense
media
comes
the
cessation
of
contact'
....
'From
the
cessation
of
name-&-form
comes
the
cessation
of
the
six
sense
media'
....
'From
the
cessation
of
consciousness
comes
the
cessation
of
name-&-form'
....
'From
the
cessation
of
fabrications
comes
the
cessation
of
consciousness.']
"Musila,
my
friend,
putting
aside
conviction,
putting
aside
preference,
putting
aside
tradition,
putting
aside
reasoning
through
analogies,
putting
aside
an
agreement
through
pondering
views:
Do
you
have
truly
personal
knowledge
that,
'From
the
cessation
of
ignorance
comes
the
cessation
of
fabrications'?"
"Yes,
Pavittha
my
friend.
Putting
aside
conviction...
preference
...
tradition
...
reasoning
through
analogies
...
an
agreement
through
pondering
views,
I
do
have
truly
personal
knowledge
that,
'From
the
cessation
of
ignorance
comes
the
cessation
of
fabrications.'"
"Musila,
my
friend,
putting
aside
conviction,
putting
aside
preference,
putting
aside
tradition,
putting
aside
reasoning
through
analogies,
putting
aside
an
agreement
through
pondering
views:
Do
you
have
truly
personal
knowledge
that,
'The
cessation
of
becoming
is
Unbinding'?"
"Yes,
Pavittha
my
friend.
Putting
aside
conviction...
preference
...
tradition
...
reasoning
through
analogies
...
an
agreement
through
pondering
views,
I
do
have
truly
personal
knowledge
that,
'The
cessation
of
becoming
is
Unbinding.'"
"Then,
Ven.
Musila,
you
are
an
arahant
whose
fermentation
are
ended."
When
this
was
said,
Ven.
Musila
was
silent.
[1]
Then
Ven.
Narada
said,
"Pavittha
my
friend,
it
would
be
good
if
I
were
to
get
that
question.
Ask
me
that
question
and
I
will
answer
it
for
you."
"Then
Ven.
Narada
will
get
that
question.
I
will
ask
Ven.
Narada
that
question,
and
may
he
answer
that
question
for
me."
[Ven.
Pavittha
asks
the
same
questions
of
Ven.
Narada,
who
gives
the
same
answers
as
Ven.
Musila.]
"Then,
Ven.
Narada,
you
are
an
arahant
whose
effluents
are
ended."
"My
friend,
although
I
have
seen
properly
with
right
discernment,
as
it
actually
is
present,
that
'The
cessation
of
becoming
is
Unbinding,'
still
I
am
not
an
arahant
whose
fermentations
are
ended.
[2]
It's
as
if
there
were
a
well
along
a
road
in
a
desert,
with
neither
rope
nor
water
bucket.
A
man
would
come
along
overcome
by
heat,
oppressed
by
the
heat,
exhausted,
dehydrated,
&
thirsty.
He
would
look
into
the
well
and
would
have
knowledge
of
'water,'
but
he
would
not
dwell
touching
it
with
his
body.
[3]
In
the
same
way,
although
I
have
seen
properly
with
right
discernment,
as
it
actually
is
present,
that
'The
cessation
of
becoming
is
Unbinding,'
still
I
am
not
an
arahant
whose
fermentations
are
ended."
When
this
was
said,
Ven.
Ananda
said
to
Ven.
Pavittha,
"When
he
speaks
in
this
way,
friend
Pavittha,
what
do
you
have
to
say
about
Ven.
Narada?"
"When
Ven.
Narada
speaks
in
this
way,
friend
Ananda,
I
have
nothing
to
say
about
Ven.
Narada
except
that
[he
is]
admirable
&
skillful."
Notes
1.
According
to
the
Commentary,
Ven.
Musila's
silence
here
is
a
sign
of
affirmation.
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back]
2.
In
other
words,
he
was
attained
one
of
the
preliminary
levels
of
awakening
(stream
entry,
once-returning,
or
non-returning),
but
not
full
arahantship.
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back]
3.
The
image
refers
to
two
common
similes
for
the
full
experience
of
Unbinding:
(a)
it
is
refreshing
&
nourishing,
like
drinking
water
;
and
(b)
some
arahants
experience
it
as
if
touching
it
with
the
body
.
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back]
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