The Samyutta Nikaya
The Grouped Discourses
Samyutta
Nikaya
XII.25
Bhumija
Sutta
To
Bhumija
Translated
from
the
Pali
by
Thanissaro
Bhikkhu.
Staying
at
Savatthi.
Then
Ven.
Bhumija,
arising
from
his
seclusion
in
the
late
afternoon,
went
to
Ven.
Sariputta.
On
arrival,
he
exchanged
courteous
greetings
with
him.
After
an
exchange
of
friendly
greetings
&
courtesies,
he
sat
to
one
side.
As
he
was
sitting
there,
he
said
to
Ven.
Sariputta,
"Friend
Sariputta,
there
are
some
priests
&
contemplatives,
teachers
of
kamma,
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
self-made.
There
are
other
priests
&
contemplatives,
teachers
of
kamma,
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
other-made.
Then
there
are
other
priests
&
contemplatives,
teachers
of
kamma,
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
self-made
&
other-made.
And
then
there
are
still
other
priests
&
contemplatives,
teachers
of
kamma,
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
neither
self-made
nor
other-made,
but
arise
spontaneously.
In
this
case,
friend
Sariputta,
what
is
the
Blessed
One's
doctrine?
What
does
he
teach?
Answering
in
what
way
will
I
speak
in
line
with
what
the
Blessed
One
has
said,
not
misrepresent
the
Blessed
One
with
what
is
unfactual,
and
answer
in
line
with
the
Dhamma
so
that
no
one
whose
thinking
is
in
line
with
the
Dhamma
will
have
grounds
for
criticism?"
"The
Blessed
One,
my
friend,
has
said
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
dependently
co-arisen.
Dependent
on
what?
Dependent
on
contact.
One
speaking
in
this
way
would
be
speaking
in
line
with
what
the
Blessed
One
has
said,
would
not
be
misrepresenting
the
Blessed
One
with
what
is
unfactual,
and
would
be
answering
in
line
with
the
Dhamma
so
that
no
one
whose
thinking
is
in
line
with
the
Dhamma
would
have
grounds
for
criticism.
"Whatever
priests
&
contemplatives,
teachers
of
kamma,
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
self-made,
even
that
is
dependent
on
contact.
Whatever
priests
&
contemplatives,
teachers
of
kamma,
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
other-made,
even
that
is
dependent
on
contact.
Whatever
priests
&
contemplatives,
teachers
of
kamma,
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
self-made
&
other-made,
even
that
is
dependent
on
contact.
Whatever
priests
&
contemplatives,
teachers
of
kamma,
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
neither
self-made
nor
other-made,
but
arise
spontaneously,
even
that
is
dependent
on
contact.
"That
any
priests
&
contemplatives
--
teachers
of
kamma
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
self-made
--
would
be
sensitive
to
pleasure
&
pain
otherwise
than
through
contact:
that
isn't
possible.
That
any
priests
&
contemplatives
--
teachers
of
kamma
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
other-made
...
self-made
&
other-made
...
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
neither
self-made
nor
other-made,
but
arise
spontaneously
--
would
be
sensitive
to
pleasure
&
pain
otherwise
than
through
contact:
that
isn't
possible."
Now
it
so
happened
that
Ven.
Ananda
overheard
this
conversation
between
Ven.
Sariputta
&
Ven.
Bhumija.
Then
he
went
to
the
Blessed
One
and,
on
arrival,
having
bowed
down
to
him,
sat
to
one
side.
As
he
was
sitting
there
he
reported
the
entire
conversation
to
the
Blessed
One.
[The
Blessed
One
said:]
"Excellent,
Ananda.
Excellent.
One
rightly
answering
would
answer
as
Ven.
Sariputta
has
done.
"I
have
said,
Ananda,
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
dependently
co-arisen.
Dependent
on
what?
Dependent
on
contact.
One
speaking
in
this
way
would
be
speaking
in
line
with
what
I
have
said,
would
not
be
misrepresenting
me
with
what
is
unfactual,
and
would
be
answering
in
line
with
the
Dhamma
so
that
no
one
whose
thinking
is
in
line
with
the
Dhamma
would
have
grounds
for
criticism.
"Whatever
priests
&
contemplatives,
teachers
of
kamma,
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
self-made,
even
that
is
dependent
on
contact.
Whatever
priests
&
contemplatives,
teachers
of
kamma,
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
other-made
...
self-made
&
other-made
...
neither
self-made
nor
other-made,
but
arise
spontaneously,
even
that
is
dependent
on
contact.
"That
any
priests
&
contemplatives
--
teachers
of
kamma
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
self-made
--
would
be
sensitive
to
pleasure
&
pain
otherwise
than
through
contact:
that
isn't
possible.
That
any
priests
&
contemplatives
--
teachers
of
kamma
who
declare
that
pleasure
&
pain
are
other-made
...
self-made
&
other-made
...
neither
self-made
nor
other-made,
but
arise
spontaneously
--
would
be
sensitive
to
pleasure
&
pain
otherwise
than
through
contact:
that
isn't
possible.
"When
there
is
a
body,
pleasure
&
pain
arise
internally
with
bodily
intention
as
the
cause;
or
when
there
is
speech,
pleasure
&
pain
arise
internally
with
verbal
intention
as
the
cause;
or
when
there
is
intellect,
pleasure
&
pain
arise
internally
with
intellectual
intention
as
the
cause.
"From
ignorance
as
requisite
condition,
then
either
of
one's
own
accord
one
fabricates
the
bodily
fabrication
on
account
of
which
that
pleasure
&
pain
arise
internally,
or
because
of
others
one
fabricates
the
bodily
fabrication
on
account
of
which
that
pleasure
&
pain
arise
internally.
Either
alert
one
fabricates
the
bodily
fabrication
on
account
of
which
that
pleasure
&
pain
arise
internally,
or
unalert
one
fabricates
the
bodily
fabrication
on
account
of
which
that
pleasure
&
pain
arise
internally.
(Similarly
with
verbal
&
intellectual
fabrications.)
"Now,
ignorance
is
bound
up
in
these
things.
From
the
remainderless
fading
&
cessation
of
that
very
ignorance,
there
no
longer
exists
[the
sense
of]
the
body
on
account
of
which
that
pleasure
&
pain
internally
arise.
There
no
longer
exists
the
speech...the
intellect
on
account
of
which
that
pleasure
&
pain
internally
arise.
There
no
longer
exists
the
field,
the
site,
the
dimension,
or
the
issue
on
account
of
which
that
pleasure
&
pain
internally
arise."
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